For this
section we will be dealing with Prasch's questions on the "Rock."
The second
question I would like to ask is this one: I was always told in Catholic schools
and by my mother that Peter was “the rock”. “Upon this rock I will build my
church” from Matthew 16. (Mt. 16:18) I
was told that in English and, when I was a little boy, I was taught to read
Latin. The Bible was the Vulgate, the only one read ritually; it was not
studied. I’m a Christian, but I’m just
asking the question, “Is Peter the rock?”
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At Banyas – Caesarea Philippi,
there’s a cascade with millions and millions of flat chips of stone washed out
of the cascade. The Greek word “petros” – “Peter”, “little Peters”. There is a
big boulder on which the temple of the Greek god Pan that had been there at one
time had been built and the temple to Caesar Augustus, the deified emperor, had
been built that Jesus was referring to where the house would be built. That is
called a “petra”. “You are one of these little chips of stone; upon this
boulder I will build my church of Me.”
Mr. Prasch
makes the mistake, as many Protestant apologists make, of not recognizing that
the Greek language has gender specific terms.
When speaking of a man's name, in this case "Peter" - or in
the Greek, "Petros," the word is masculine. However, when speaking of an inanimate
object, such as a "rock," the word would indeed be "petra"
(or "petras").
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The Roman Catholic Church claims that
its doctrines are not only “apostolic”, but “patristic” – they come from the
church fathers. I do not believe in the doctrinal authority of the church
fathers. I do not believe the “apostolic” necessarily equals the “patristic”.
However, even if I did, of the church fathers the Roman Catholic church looks
to as a way to define what the apostles believed, most of the church fathers
said that “the rock” was Christ, not Peter. A minority of them said “the rock”
was the faith of Peter. Most say “the rock” was Christ, a few said “the rock”
was Peter’s faith. None – not even one of their own church fathers – not only
one of your church fathers has ever said that “the rock” was Peter,
Really? First of all, "apostolic" and
"patristic" are not equivalent terms and the Church does not teach
that they are - red herring.
Secondly,
Prasch claims that "not even one of (our) own church fathers" teach
that Peter is the rock.
St. Cyprian of Carthage
"The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251]).
"The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251]).
Optatus
"You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).
"You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).
Pope Damasus I
"Likewise it is decreed: . . . [W]e have considered that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see [today], therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).
"Likewise it is decreed: . . . [W]e have considered that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see [today], therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).
St. Jerome
"I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails" (Letters, 15:2).
"I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails" (Letters, 15:2).
"The church here is split into three
parts, each eager to seize me for its own. . . . Meanwhile I keep crying, ‘He
that is joined to the chair of Peter is accepted by me!’ . . . Therefore, I
implore your blessedness [Pope Damasus I] . . . tell me by letter with whom it
is that I should communicate in Syria" (ibid., 16:2).
http://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/docs/ecfpapacy.htm
So, while
Prasch has asserted that not even ONE Church Father supports Peter as being
"the rock" I have presented FOUR and there are more. Prasch should be a little more careful in
making absolute statements such as "not one..." for it makes it
extremely easy for anyone to find even ONE to make his statement absolutely
false.
For more of
this rebuttal go to:
http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2015/10/questions-for-catholics-part-4-rock.html
http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2015/10/questions-for-catholics-part-4-rock.html
God Bless
Nathan
Nathan
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